Here I am again, speaking on a subject I know little about. Hopefully yet again I can learn more. Here is my opinion and thoughts on guns. First of all I am a gun owner. I am not a member of any club, meaning NRA etc. I have taught my children that even toy guns should not be pointed at a person. Even though I have taught my children the dangers of guns, I still lock mine up. I do not "Open Carry" or have a CPL. I would use a weapon to defend my family in their home. You can now view this statement and judge it from what I just informed you of.
I see no need to carry a weapon in Hastings. The march was to make a statement, which was bad for both Leaf and Sarver. Sarver did not show to arrest, and Leaf did not show in support of his beliefs (which everyone knows he is a supporter of). I have strong feels that if you believe or support a cause (ie.. God, Guns, a Politician) then do so. Do not be a silent observer, great program that should never have come about to be needed (potential new posting). If Sarver believes in and stated he was going to do something then do it. If Leaf is a supporter of and says he supports then do it. For either one of them not to show because of votes shows that they are pretenders. For example someone joining the Republican party in Barry County just before an election. They are saying they are one but just for votes. In my eyes is the same as lying.
Back to guns. I do have conflicted feelings on guns. I own one, would use it to defend myself in my home, but I would not carry, yet I feel responsible people should be allowed to do so. A law abiding citizen might, in a larger city, have a instance to use a gun in self defense. How often does that happen, I do not know. I do know that crimes with a gun, are not committed by law abiding citizens. Criminals get guns all the time. They are not going to pay for and wait for a CPL before they go out and rob a bank. Also, criminals have guns that police officers are not aloud to carry. 9 mm, 40s, shot guns, verses a fully automatic machine gun, yea no thanks.
I doubt that this recent "protest" will encourage people to open carry in town. All this "protest" did was show Sarver and Leaf are all about the votes.
I see no need to carry a weapon in Hastings. The march was to make a statement, which was bad for both Leaf and Sarver. Sarver did not show to arrest, and Leaf did not show in support of his beliefs (which everyone knows he is a supporter of). I have strong feels that if you believe or support a cause (ie.. God, Guns, a Politician) then do so. Do not be a silent observer, great program that should never have come about to be needed (potential new posting). If Sarver believes in and stated he was going to do something then do it. If Leaf is a supporter of and says he supports then do it. For either one of them not to show because of votes shows that they are pretenders. For example someone joining the Republican party in Barry County just before an election. They are saying they are one but just for votes. In my eyes is the same as lying.
Back to guns. I do have conflicted feelings on guns. I own one, would use it to defend myself in my home, but I would not carry, yet I feel responsible people should be allowed to do so. A law abiding citizen might, in a larger city, have a instance to use a gun in self defense. How often does that happen, I do not know. I do know that crimes with a gun, are not committed by law abiding citizens. Criminals get guns all the time. They are not going to pay for and wait for a CPL before they go out and rob a bank. Also, criminals have guns that police officers are not aloud to carry. 9 mm, 40s, shot guns, verses a fully automatic machine gun, yea no thanks.
I doubt that this recent "protest" will encourage people to open carry in town. All this "protest" did was show Sarver and Leaf are all about the votes.
19 comments:
Bebe,
I have no objection to guns, and gun owners in general. Hard to believe I am sure, considering my hot headed remarks at WMP.
What I do have a problem with is gun advocate groups demanding that people should carry a gun in broad daylight, down the middle of a town, with an all but non existent history of murder, in order to egg on its police.
Open carry is considered legal for the time being. So is abortion.
I see no need to do either just to prove you can.
bebe,
The "parade organizer" and "self-styled publisher" who delivered what the Detroit Free Press decribed as "red-meat" speeches on Thursday afternoon, once called me on the phone to insist that the Second Amendment means that every citizen has the right to own and carry any weapon in the Army arsenal. When I challenged him if that included grenade-launchers and shoulder-held surface-to-air missiles, he said "Yes!" I told him we had nothing more to talk about, and he told me to "Watch your back!"
I think that goes a bit farther than the pretense that he needed a handgun to protect his family in his home.
He was trying to threaten me into opposing Sheriff Steve DeBoer. Very adult.
I owned my first "gun" when I was in seventh grade. As an avid rabbit hunter, my trusty 16-gauge single shot was cleaned after every hunt whether it was shot or not. It never held a shell inside an area we had been taught was too close to the farm yard. I had no desire to shoot a mourning dove or any other stationary target.
The idea that I should carry a weapon into town would have been absurd, even in an era when most of us dressed like cowboys on Halloween.
You are "allowed" to openly carry your handgun no matter how responsible you may or may not be. It is a legal right guaranteed by the U.S.Constitution. Deciding to parade around with one tied to your pants is a different issue and has nothing to do with any amendment to the original Constitution or any other legality.
You have the same legal right in Costa Rica. The difference is that if you walk into our town of Coopa Buena with a firearm, you will be considered insane and everybody will quickly vacate the streets until you have gone. After that, you won't need to display your weapons. People will just go out of their way to avoid you. You will be considered a violent person.
There is an American in Coopa Buena that this describes. He is referred to as being insane ("el loco gringo" by the Ticos, and "Crazy Brian" by the gringos)and nobody will talk to him. He isn't insane, he is just a whack-job, with manhood issues. Last year he gave himself a Mohawk and claimed that all the young boys in town would soon be cutting their hair to look like him. He is an embarrassing representative of our violent culture.
I carried a chrome-plated .380 pistol when I was in the Navy. It was a beautiful piece of military art. I have no idea why a person would carry such a ridiculous thing on the inside of a ship. I suppose that I was supposed to blow a hole in the top-secret machine that I had to use, if we were boarded by pirates .
You might find the book "Pathway to Peace" interesting reading. The early chapters describe the amount of damage done each year by people who have handguns (including footnotes and statistical references). Most of the damage is not done by "criminals", as you would be lead to believe by people who teach CCW classes. It is done by perpetrators of domestic violence against people who know them well. Mostly by perpetrators with manhood issues. Reducing the number of weapons in the world and in our homes is very high on the list of what must be done to change the USA from a nation of fear to a nation of mutual respect.
"Handguns don't kill people, crazy people with manhood issues kill people with handguns."
Bebe,
I appreciate that you would allow us to voice our opinion on your blogg.
I also appreciate that you own a gun and your children were " taught...that even toy guns should not be pointed at a person. Even though I have taught my children the dangers of guns, I still lock mine up."
I agree with you and have never open or concealed carry in my 37 years except this last thursday to make the point women should be educated about guns and defense and not victims.
Do I plan to open carry again? Not sure at the present time. Do I plan to concealed carry? Not sure again, due to financial circumstances I cannot afford a decent weapon legally and would never own one illegally.
I was a victim several times and felt I had had enough. I took the CCW class because I wanted to defend my home and loved ones when no one else was there.
As Skip says in his books which I have read all of, I do not want to be a sheep anymore, but I want to be the sheep dog.
Thank you for allowing me to post my opinion in your forum. Keep up the great blogg.
Posted on foxs news .com by associated press.
MORRISTON, Fla. — Authorities say a Levy County, Fla., man accidentally shot his wife while trying to hit a fox that attacked her.
The couple told deputies they spotted an animal in their yard Friday morning and went outside to see what it was.
The fox bit the woman on the left leg and wouldn't let go, so she told her husband to get a gun.
The man fired a .22-caliber rifle seven times, killing the animal but also hitting his wife in the lower right leg.
The woman was taken to a nearby hospital for treatment.
The dead fox will be tested for rabies, but authorities say the results won't be available until next week.
OW, you are welcome. This blog is somewhat a selfish act. I love to learn, and have a hard time getting correct answers on local issues. I also like to see others opinions. I hope I am not the only person who may learn a thing or two here.
El Grillo
I do agree with the fact of being used in the act of a domestic situation. However, I have one objection to the thought that anyone whom assaults a family member is law abibing. Abusers are criminals, and that fact is the reason that when it happens it needs to be reported. I am going sexiest here, sorry, but women especially who do not report these acts, out of love, do not realize the implications. It will happen again, it is not the person who is being assaulted fault, and if not reported will eventually end up fatal.
Bebe, your comment is not even in the realm of being sexist.
On the contrary.
If you were one who believed that women should keep quiet about abuse, and take their licks, you would be sexist.
Please know the difference, as there are those that perpetuate the notion that women speaking out about any subject dealing with their independence, and equal worth in society, are radical feminists.
Rush Limbaugh, a prominent radio talk show host uses the made up word "feminista" in order to mock women that strive for equality.
He is sexist, and out of the main stream.
You are normal, and might I say refreshing.
bebe,
Agnosticrat is absolutely correct.
The story about the fox reminded me about the episode with the pit bull. Once again, a fearful person put a dangerous "weapon" in his home, and it turned on a family member. How sad to have a kid with an arm sawed off, just because you don't know how to live in peace with your neighbors.
If you know anything about the size of a fox, you certainly wouldn't want to try to hit it with a hangun slug. A baseball bat, or a hammer, would be more effective and none of these need loading. Since they had a loaded weapon in their home, it was the first thing they chose to resolve the conflict. They would have used the same behavior if they had a dispute with her son-in-law. They learned violence from their parents.
I'm betting on the kid learning that he doesn't want another pit bull around, from his dad. The Floridians are probably blaming the fox.
the shooter in Tenn. a couple days ago at the church, had a permit to carry...........
He was not insane, he just hated liberals.........
we need more guns on the street being carried not by the crooks but by the barrelhuggers to protect us from "them".
TS
There I was, crawling around on my hands and knees, in the fading light, getting splashed by the water from the County Fountain. Suddenly, I realized that I was alone. Perhaps I could return in the morning with a metal detector. Who was that stranger from Hamilton? Where was his faithful Indian companion?
Then I realized that the Indian needed to leave town before the sun set on him in the City.
Way off to the west I heard a faint and receding call.
It was 6:00PM and time for the belltower serenade of the William Tell Overture.
With all this horse manure there has to be a Silver in there someplace.
we need more guns on the street carried by "wantabes" who have found a puppet in both the sheriff and the pros.
Last night I fell asleep knowing that I was protected from "them" by "them".
the dumbing down continues here in barry co.
TS
4 teens were shot today in WIS/MI. Here is the double sided sword. If the teens were armed could they have stopped the killer before he picked them off? If the shooter never got his hands on the gun in the first place what then? The shooter at the church, what if the congregation was "packin" and stopped him? Why has society come to such lows? Where children and families can not go to church, school or sweimming without fear of harm?
bebe,
do you really need to be told why we have come to this?
you have "barney & big boy" supposed enforcers of the law, making all sorts of statements about the public being armed instead of doing their jobs.
When the sheriff of a county says it is not my job to protect you, then you get justice by mob mentality that is where we are at in Barry Co. today, look at the group that walked the streets last week in the name of "barney" .
You only need to look at the jail and the pros. office for answers to why we are the way we are.
Neither of them should be in office, they do not have the tools in their tool chest to do the job.
Thus we get the dumbing down of the county and with it comes more and more mind sets that say," Forget about the system of justice I will take care of it myself".
Guns are not the answer, yet these two buffons will be relected by the mob of barrelhuggers that will come out of the ground to vote for them, then return to their holes.
Plus, here in this county there is the reality that many do not want anyone any smarter than they are to be in any office. Thus you have "barney & big boy".
NOt to worry, just keep your gun close by and you will be one of them soon.
TS
two more shot last night by ex-employee who had been fired for being late to many times.
I wonder if he had a license to carry or kill?
TS
TS
If its so bad here then why don't you leave?
I like it here and hate hearing you rant and rave about how it sucks so bad having people in office who took you down a peg.
Bebe,
Keep up the good work. I like your blog and enjoy your comments but I am not the only one wanting someone to put a leash on TS. He makes Barry County look bad.
ow,
no one has aken me down a peg or two since my dad, but thanks for thinking that.
No I plan on stay right here, not one to cut and run, instead will continue to bring forth the failings of "barney& big boy", along with their handler & controller, puppetmaster.
so you have two options don't read what I write, or don't come to this blog.
3-4 teenagers killed in northern michigan over the weekend, by a law abiding fellow that had a legal gun.......
the dumbing down continues....
ts
Actually TS I HAVE say on who is here. Not you. If that is your attitude I will take care of your rantings. This is MY blog, under MY control. Period. Now you can either blog and chit chat back and forth about the issues on the heading or be deleted and remove. This you have a choice about.
Walt Herwarth has a letter in this morning's Banner. It surprised me, since he was a Parade Demonstrator, that he hasn't resolved his dispute with his neighbor in the way recommended by the Sheriff and Prosecuting Attorney. Since they don't see protection of citizens as their job, he was supposed to get out his trusty .45 and blow the brains out of those two vicious Irish Setters, and then if the dispute wasn't sufficiently resolved in his favor, turn the weapon on the loud-mouth neighbor (for cluttering without a license).
"Cluttering" is apparently now a responsibility of the State-run Police, according to the advice given by the 911 Center. This should take some of the pressure off the Sheriff's Office, and provide more time for in-depth investigations of "embezzlements" in our light-(trigger)fingered local governance.
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